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Not really into it as much as I used to be, I've found that the I'll take to it pretty well but it tends to open the windows to magical thinking which isn't too bad but can get pretty tangled and thorny and it's best not dream about giving all you hold between your hands to some vague thing on a lake. 

Wiccan stuffs for middle aged white suburban moms with too much wine and not enough hobbies anyways

That's not really Wicca's fault. This is like saying people shouldn't take up Atheism over how cringe their black T-shirts are and over how existentially whiny they show themselves to be. 

As for the Magical Thinking thing, drop the faith angle and instead look for the parts that blend into more utility-based thinking, like I did with Symbology and Graphic Design. Beyond that, a lot of Wiccans go over the notion of "Intention" in ways that show it to be about adjusting people's perceptions rather than changing the world itself, demonstrating it's ideology to be more cerebral. This only lends as much to Magical Thinking as your ability to believe the folklorish nonsense rather than simply gathering data. 

Religion, especially when it comes to "spellcraft", is a way to use mentalism on yourself to bring about different behaviors, and it's why Wiccans tend to act a little more withholding or tricky, why they tend to focus on elements of manipulation more forwardly than others might. At it's core, "Magical Thinking" is a way to ascend what holds you back in real life in lieu of Logic's ability to do it.

It's why some ye olden shaman types had such elaborate rituals in the name of faith; so they could believe it in spite of being complex individuals. Superstitious subscriptions are more than mere nonsense. 

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In high school my best friend was wiccan and got me into it a little. I never got into it too seriously tho, mostly like someone said before I got into the symbolism. I never got into any entity summoning, but I've made alters with various elements and looked into pagan herbology.

Sc is pretty boring.
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You stated once in chat that Biden's popularity was a sign that communist hordes were coming to bulldoze your way of life.

If you weren't being totally ironic about that, Wicca probably won't be your thing.

 

There is waaay too much fellowship and sharing in that religion for somebody with your kind of one-user-one (much higher) payment sort of sensibilities.

Depending on the circles that find you, you might also run into more than the usual number of people looking for healing.

 

And we all know what a cunt you are about 'weak' people who ask for help getting back on their feet.

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How the fuck did this pile of narcs end up tryinta practice earth magic, anyway?

You ppl are all closer to a natural Laveyan worldview than a gentle goddess magic ffs.

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Hermetics...

That's Ceremonial Magick, right? Alesteir Crowley type stuff?

 

The closest I got to that was The Book of Thoth.

Tedious af and full of male narcs. Totally not my thing  :P

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Xena said: 

How the fuck did this pile of narcs end up tryinta practice earth magic, anyway?

The internet has really helped it take off, but the texts have deviated wildly. 

Chaos Magic seems to be trending more overtime, I've even heard of Jim going on about gnosis by other names. 

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Xena said: 

You stated once in chat that Biden's popularity was a sign that communist hordes were coming to bulldoze your way of life.

If you weren't being totally ironic about that, Wicca probably won't be your thing.

 

There is waaay too much fellowship and sharing in that religion for somebody with your kind of one-user-one (much higher) payment sort of sensibilities.

Depending on the circles that find you, you might also run into more than the usual number of people looking for healing.

 

And we all know what a cunt you are about 'weak' people who ask for help getting back on their feet.

Wicca seems to be one of the more individualistic practices out there as it not only has no rights of initiation proper but it also fundamentally does away with all traditionalism in order to give the practitioner the freedom to do anything they want. 

It seems a lot of people equate wicca to Paganism in general when can be very collectivist depending on what you get into. 

 

Xena said: 

How the fuck did this pile of narcs end up tryinta practice earth magic, anyway?

You ppl are all closer to a natural Laveyan worldview than a gentle goddess magic ffs.

I've explored historically do to its deep connection with Natural Science, Philosophy, and Theology. 

It seems its popularization is derived from its overall aesthetic which a lot of people enjoy mixed with spiritual people rejecting Christianity because they get a bad taste in their mouth when they are younger.

 

Xena said: 

Hermetics...

That's Ceremonial Magick, right? Alesteir Crowley type stuff?

 

The closest I got to that was The Book of Thoth.

Tedious af and full of male narcs. Totally not my thing  :P

 Much older than that, the hermeticus traditions began in the early 2nd century at the same time Christianity and Platonism   began to gain popularity. It then moved to the Arabian world and eventually back to Europe through the crusades. It played a   key role shaping the European intellect. Many key Modernist thinkers were involved in its traditions including Leibniz and   Newton. Newton himself did a translation of the Emerald tablet. 

 

 

 

 

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AliceInWonderland said:
Wicca seems to be one of the more individualistic practices out there as it not only has no rights of initiation proper but it also fundamentally does away with all traditionalism in order to give the practitioner the freedom to do anything they want.

Exactly, Chaos Magic. People don't have the patience for the older systems so they just burn candles, shuffle cards, and focus really hard on the things they want. Occasionally they'll call on random names, or try to cast spells without any idea over what they're doing. 

It seems its popularization is derived from its overall aesthetic which a lot of people enjoy mixed with spiritual people rejecting Christianity because they get a bad taste in their mouth when they are younger.

The Bible references Witchcraft and it's been featured in much of Disney. It was also reinforced through the shows Buffy and Charmed, along with a lot of other 90s media. 


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If anyone wants to put a spell or curse on me, do go ahead. 

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ddddddd said: 

Lena check out the book I mentioned. Second part in the middle, the practical 10 steps. It is very different from wicca and the higher steps r trippy. 

 I mean I'll try to remember to do this but it's not something I particularly want to get back into tbh

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