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Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said: 

like i mean i naturally would want to encourage you to be more masculine

i think because i like your personality i would prefer you to be more masculine so i could be more attracted to you so its my own projections too when i heard your voice and connected it with being you

Well yeah, that to you would be you encouraging me to be more attractive. 

How would you encourage me to be more masculine though? Like what would you recommend? 

lol but im trying not to because you want to be more fem and i want you to be the happiest and most comfortable version of yourself

I'm going to do what I'm going to do, so you might as well just say what you want. 

ya well if he goes on hormones it will become feminine

Actually that's the shitty part; It won't. 

Female to Male transitioning has the voice deepen, but Male to Female has whatever weird process that changed the voice during puberty stick around. It's a matter of vocal coaching and practice. 

dont worry tc and its lightly masculine

I will worry because it's in a bass range. 

so you want to pass eventually?

I mean that's essentially the goal. I don't want to be in the gross uncanny valley if I can help it. 

do you have surgery dates planned or are you not that far yet

I'm not even on HRT yet. 

 like, its not something i even do consciously as much as subconsciously but even calling your voice masculine is me projecting that i wish you were more that because it increases my attraction towards you, I guess it's idealization? but not bpd idealization just normal idealization that everyone does. what exercises help heighten your vocal range out of bass? is it possible and some women have deeper voices so maybe just working on inflection and softness will be enough

aubrieta said:

like, its not something i even do consciously as much as subconsciously but even calling your voice masculine is me projecting that i wish you were more that because it increases my attraction towards you, I guess it's idealization?

what exercises help heighten your vocal range out of bass?

is it possible and some women have deeper voices so maybe just working on inflection and softness will be enough

You see, I have heard this argument made; That there's enough deep voiced women out there that passing shouldn't be as hard as I'm making it out to be...

...except whenever you look those people up they're always listed as having "Deeper" or "Manlier" voices. Basically, they pass because they are already cisgendered, they can be questioned about it and the insecurity it might dredge will range from non-existent to minor. Even when pressed, they'd know deep down that they're a woman. 

Now, a man trying to be a woman has to worry about every little thing that can't escape the uncanny valley. Shoulder width, adam's apple, voice tone, muscle tone, stubble (and shaving scars, even stretched pores), skin quality, having big enough tits to counterbalance said shoulder width...

There's those that dress as loudly uncanny valley as they can as some sort of defiance statement, but I'd rather blend in and have people presume I'm feminine naturally instead of forcing people to accept me as loudly and bluntly as possible. While I usually argue that audacity and shamelessness are strength... that's also not really me, and I'd rather have good presentation and poise in this subject instead of expressing weak, half-assed compensation that doesn't hit the mark. 

Turncoat said: 

 

aubrieta said:

like, its not something i even do consciously as much as subconsciously but even calling your voice masculine is me projecting that i wish you were more that because it increases my attraction towards you, I guess it's idealization?

But what would make me more masculine, and thereby more attractive to you? How could I be better than I already am by your standards? 

I'm trying to figure what gender is to you. 

what exercises help heighten your vocal range out of bass?

It's similar to song training and acting exercises, but a lot more specific. 

I was practicing some DeepStealth for a while, but I think I'd benefit more from having someone there to correct my mistakes in real-time. 

 

is it possible and some women have deeper voices so maybe just working on inflection and softness will be enough

You see, I have heard this argument made; That there's enough deep voiced women out there that passing shouldn't be as hard as I'm making it out to be...

...except whenever you look those people up they're always listed as having "Deeper" or "Manlier" voices. Basically, they pass because they are already cisgendered, they can be questioned about it and the insecurity it might dredge will range from non-existent to minor. Even when pressed, they'd know deep down that they're a woman. 

Now, a man trying to be a woman has to worry about every little thing that can't escape the uncanny valley. Shoulder width, adam's apple, voice tone, muscle tone, stubble (and shaving scars, even stretched pores), skin quality, having big enough tits to counterbalance said shoulder width...

There's those that dress as loudly uncanny valley as they can as some sort of defiance statement, but I'd rather blend in and have people presume I'm feminine naturally instead of forcing people to accept me as loudly and bluntly as possible. While I usually argue that audacity and shamelessness are strength... that's also not really me, and I'd rather have good presentation and poise in this subject instead of expressing weak, half-assed compensation that doesn't hit the mark. 

 right so I guess I would want to encourage you talking deeply and being/coming across more strong, dominant, sexually attracted to women,protective, those type of attributes and if we had any sort of sexual relationship i would want you to use your penis and not get a vagina ever or be on hormones

yeah I totally get it thats a lot to have to worry about and im sure its stressful to be insecure about passing. is that why youve yet to take hormones then? I mean even being right in the middle is cool lol Im drawn to everything unique and different from the ordinary:) I get bored by too much mainstream except when it comes to music for whatever reason I like mainstream music except not country and not a lot of indie or r&b ew

aubrieta said: 

Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said:

like, its not something i even do consciously as much as subconsciously but even calling your voice masculine is me projecting that i wish you were more that because it increases my attraction towards you, I guess it's idealization?

But what would make me more masculine, and thereby more attractive to you? How could I be better than I already am by your standards? 

I'm trying to figure what gender is to you. 

what exercises help heighten your vocal range out of bass?

It's similar to song training and acting exercises, but a lot more specific. 

I was practicing some DeepStealth for a while, but I think I'd benefit more from having someone there to correct my mistakes in real-time. 

is it possible and some women have deeper voices so maybe just working on inflection and softness will be enough

You see, I have heard this argument made; That there's enough deep voiced women out there that passing shouldn't be as hard as I'm making it out to be...

...except whenever you look those people up they're always listed as having "Deeper" or "Manlier" voices. Basically, they pass because they are already cisgendered, they can be questioned about it and the insecurity it might dredge will range from non-existent to minor. Even when pressed, they'd know deep down that they're a woman. 

Now, a man trying to be a woman has to worry about every little thing that can't escape the uncanny valley. Shoulder width, adam's apple, voice tone, muscle tone, stubble (and shaving scars, even stretched pores), skin quality, having big enough tits to counterbalance said shoulder width...

There's those that dress as loudly uncanny valley as they can as some sort of defiance statement, but I'd rather blend in and have people presume I'm feminine naturally instead of forcing people to accept me as loudly and bluntly as possible. While I usually argue that audacity and shamelessness are strength... that's also not really me, and I'd rather have good presentation and poise in this subject instead of expressing weak, half-assed compensation that doesn't hit the mark. 

 right so I guess I would want to encourage you talking deeply

So you want me to put on my best Barry White imitation? 

and being/coming across more strong, dominant,

So you want me to act more confidently than I already am? 

sexually attracted to women,

Lol this one won't be difficult. 

protective,

What's going on with this one? Are females not protective? 

I figured females were more protective than males. 

those type of attributes and if we had any sort of sexual relationship i would want you to use your penis and not get a vagina ever or be on hormones

What if I had a working penis while on hormones? 

is that why youve yet to take hormones then?

It's closer to me being disorganized and poor. 

I am kinda scared to start though, but aging works against me more than normal here and starting sooner than later is preferable. 

I mean even being right in the middle is cool lol Im drawn to everything unique and different from the ordinary:)

So you'd be into Futa? 

Would you fuck a woman who's transitioned into a man? 

I get bored by too much mainstream

Transitioning is too mainstream for you? 

I suppose there's always the fringe body mod types out there for you still, like Nullos. 

except when it comes to music for whatever reason I like mainstream music except not country and not a lot of indie or r&b ew

You have decent tastes within that range at least. 

Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said: 

Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said:

like, its not something i even do consciously as much as subconsciously but even calling your voice masculine is me projecting that i wish you were more that because it increases my attraction towards you, I guess it's idealization?

But what would make me more masculine, and thereby more attractive to you? How could I be better than I already am by your standards? 

I'm trying to figure what gender is to you. 

what exercises help heighten your vocal range out of bass?

It's similar to song training and acting exercises, but a lot more specific. 

I was practicing some DeepStealth for a while, but I think I'd benefit more from having someone there to correct my mistakes in real-time. 

is it possible and some women have deeper voices so maybe just working on inflection and softness will be enough

You see, I have heard this argument made; That there's enough deep voiced women out there that passing shouldn't be as hard as I'm making it out to be...

...except whenever you look those people up they're always listed as having "Deeper" or "Manlier" voices. Basically, they pass because they are already cisgendered, they can be questioned about it and the insecurity it might dredge will range from non-existent to minor. Even when pressed, they'd know deep down that they're a woman. 

Now, a man trying to be a woman has to worry about every little thing that can't escape the uncanny valley. Shoulder width, adam's apple, voice tone, muscle tone, stubble (and shaving scars, even stretched pores), skin quality, having big enough tits to counterbalance said shoulder width...

There's those that dress as loudly uncanny valley as they can as some sort of defiance statement, but I'd rather blend in and have people presume I'm feminine naturally instead of forcing people to accept me as loudly and bluntly as possible. While I usually argue that audacity and shamelessness are strength... that's also not really me, and I'd rather have good presentation and poise in this subject instead of expressing weak, half-assed compensation that doesn't hit the mark. 

 right so I guess I would want to encourage you talking deeply

So you want me to put on my best Barry White imitation? 

and being/coming across more strong, dominant,

So you want me to act more confidently than I already am? 

sexually attracted to women,

Lol this one won't be difficult. 

protective,

What's going on with this one? Are females not protective? 

I figured females were more protective than males. 

those type of attributes and if we had any sort of sexual relationship i would want you to use your penis and not get a vagina ever or be on hormones

What if I had a working penis while on hormones? 

Would you fuck a woman who's transitioned into a man? 

is that why youve yet to take hormones then?

It's closer to me being disorganized and poor. 

I am kinda scared to start though, but aging works against me more than normal here and starting sooner than later is preferable. 

I mean even being right in the middle is cool lol Im drawn to everything unique and different from the ordinary:)

So you'd be into Futa? 

I get bored by too much mainstream

Transitioning is too mainstream for you? 

I suppose there's always the fringe body mod types out there for you still, like Nullos. 

except when it comes to music for whatever reason I like mainstream music except not country and not a lot of indie or r&b ew

You have decent tastes within that range at least. 

 yeah by unique i mean super unique like extraordinarily unique lol like not just one or 2 things about whatever it is im fascinated by but has to really catch my attention and if it's stuff that is created unique instead of being naturally that way even better:)

and not guys i am not attracted to breasts or vagina sexually as in wanting to be touched sexually at the same time as those being present in the person touching me. it makes me feel like throwing up and very uncomfortable. 

I would fuck a woman who fully transitioned into a man if I was still sexually active 1, if she could pass as a man and didnt have breasts 2, especially if she was muscular and tall that helps even more and if her personality had enough masculine traits. basically its unlikely but not impossible if I was still sexually active and wanted a sexual relationship 

lol and sure if you want to do the Barry White thing but mostly i want you to be yourself lol. Nullos are interesting indeed lol

aubrieta said: 

lol and sure if you want to do the Barry White thing but mostly i want you to be yourself lol. 

Being myself isn't very masculine though, that's a big part of the problem. 

So wait, what's wrong with boobs? I've known a lot of straight chicks and gay dudes that still liked them. 

So you couldn't have sex with a futa then (chick with a dick)? 

16:23:38Turncoat said: 

aubrieta said: 

lol and sure if you want to do the Barry White thing but mostly i want you to be yourself lol. 

Being myself isn't very masculine though, that's a big part of the problem. 

So wait, what's wrong with boobs? I've known a lot of straight chicks and gay dudes that still liked them. 

So you couldn't have sex with a futa then (chick with a dick)? 

 No I couldnt lol, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with boobs i like looking at them but there is something about them being around me when im supposed to be participating in sexual activities that is absolutely repulsive to me

so like basically there is a line, if a girl is rubbing her clothed boobs on me and being verbally flirty ill tolerate it and maybe even flirt back a little, but if she tries to kiss me in a sexual way I would get super uncomfortable and try to find a way to get away from her immediately. I have never had a girl kiss me in a non-platonic way before so I think I do a great job of showing that I am fine with her company without wanting to take it to the next level. but if it did happen I wouldnt want to embarrass her or hurt her feelings unless I for some reason either didnt want to leave or didnt have a choice to leave in which case I would probably have to

on the internet tho I have experienced not just on here but in general lesbians having much lower inhibitions when it comes to me. but I think people on the internet have much lower inhibitions in general especially if they are anonymous