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New research paper on COVID19 being man made


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https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

Here's the Cliff Notes version of the argument in this paper:

1. SARS-CoV-2 has a number of unique and unusual genetic features, when compared to close relatives, many of which explain its high virulence and infectivity among humans.

2. A series of research papers published by a group of virologists, dating back a little over a decade, demonstrate (1) a progressively increasing understanding of viral features which make coronaviruses more infectious and virulent in humans, and (2) laboratory capabilities for successfully creating chimeric viruses (e.g. moving one specific protein sequence from a bat SARS-like virus to human SARS virus) to test their hypotheses.

3. Each of the unique and unusual features of SARS-CoV-2 appears somewhere in this line of research.

4. Researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, located in the city where the outbreak began, were intimately involved this line of research.

Taken together, the publicly-available evidence indicates that a select group of virologists had the domain knowledge and laboratory capabilities to create chimeric viruses which possess each of the unusual features of SARS-CoV-2, and that select group of virologists was concentrated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology located at ground zero for the pandemic.

The authors feel that, in light of this preponderance of circumstantial evidence, the hypothesis that the biogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 involved human intervention should be seen as the leading (i.e. most likely) explanation.

They do not make any statement about how the virus first infected a live human and spread into a pandemic, but conditioned on their biogenesis hypothesis being true, one would then assume an accidental lab release from WIV as the most likely explanation.

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lol Not this shite again. Basically, all scientists agree the virus wasn't created by humans. They know because the key is in the virus's genetic code -- the genomic sequence for SARS-CoV-2. It was decoded in January 2020, just weeks after the world learned of the novel coronavirus.

See, scientists can use a virus genome sequence to help explain where that virus originated. Each organism has a different code and a varying amount of nucleotides. A human has about three billion of them, whereas a virus, such as SARS-CoV-2 has about 30,000. Just like your genes give clues about who and where you come from, scientists can use a virus genome sequence to help explain where that virus originated as well. 

Partial interview with a virologist on research on covid-19: 

Robert Garry: We honed in on the parts of the virus that we thought were unique and that might play a role in the evolution of the virus, but also in the pathogenesis of it. And a couple of things stood out pretty quickly when we starting to compare with the other coronaviruses that have come before.

Narrator: That's Robert Garry, a professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Tulane University. Along with his colleagues, he used the virus sequence to try and understand where SARS-CoV-2 came from. They first looked at the virus's backbone. That's the whole genomic structure, unique to each virus, like a viral template. Simplified, the backbone for SARS-CoV-2 and its 30,000 nucleotides looks a little bit like this.

Each section is responsible for a part of the virus. For example, this one is responsible for the spike proteins you may have seen lining the virus shell. So it may not come as a surprise that to engineer a virus in a lab, you would need to start with a backbone. But to manufacture from scratch the backbone of a virus that can also cause disease is almost impossible.

Garry: I mean, people just don't know enough about what makes a virus pathogenic to be able to assemble that. How you pick amongst all the possibilities to get to that last little bit that's gonna turn it into this worldwide pathogen, which sequences do you think about to put in there?

Narrator: Simply, there is just not enough knowledge about how to make a new virus that would also cause significant devastation, like SARS-CoV-2 has. So creating a new, deadly backbone is pretty much impossible. But there is another way the novel coronavirus could have been created in a lab, and that would be using an existing virus backbone or genetic sequence as a starting point.

With a recycled backbone, two main methods could have been used to create the new virus. They could've either quickly mutated it, or added and deleted parts of the existing virus. But additions and deletions in a virus leave a trace that can be pointed out pretty quickly, a little bit like removing a red brick from a wall and replacing it with a black brick. This is exactly what Maciej Boni, an associate professor at Penn State, looked for.

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Vlrus said: 

lol Not this shite again. Basically, all scientists agree the virus wasn't created by humans. They know because the key is in the virus's genetic code -- the genomic sequence for SARS-CoV-2. It was decoded in January 2020, just weeks after the world learned of the novel coronavirus.

See, scientists can use a virus genome sequence to help explain where that virus originated. Each organism has a different code and a varying amount of nucleotides. A human has about three billion of them, whereas a virus, such as SARS-CoV-2 has about 30,000. Just like your genes give clues about who and where you come from, scientists can use a virus genome sequence to help explain where that virus originated as well. 

Partial interview with a virologist on research on covid-19: 

Robert Garry: We honed in on the parts of the virus that we thought were unique and that might play a role in the evolution of the virus, but also in the pathogenesis of it. And a couple of things stood out pretty quickly when we starting to compare with the other coronaviruses that have come before.

Narrator: That's Robert Garry, a professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Tulane University. Along with his colleagues, he used the virus sequence to try and understand where SARS-CoV-2 came from. They first looked at the virus's backbone. That's the whole genomic structure, unique to each virus, like a viral template. Simplified, the backbone for SARS-CoV-2 and its 30,000 nucleotides looks a little bit like this.

Each section is responsible for a part of the virus. For example, this one is responsible for the spike proteins you may have seen lining the virus shell. So it may not come as a surprise that to engineer a virus in a lab, you would need to start with a backbone. But to manufacture from scratch the backbone of a virus that can also cause disease is almost impossible.

Garry: I mean, people just don't know enough about what makes a virus pathogenic to be able to assemble that. How you pick amongst all the possibilities to get to that last little bit that's gonna turn it into this worldwide pathogen, which sequences do you think about to put in there?

Narrator: Simply, there is just not enough knowledge about how to make a new virus that would also cause significant devastation, like SARS-CoV-2 has. So creating a new, deadly backbone is pretty much impossible. But there is another way the novel coronavirus could have been created in a lab, and that would be using an existing virus backbone or genetic sequence as a starting point.

With a recycled backbone, two main methods could have been used to create the new virus. They could've either quickly mutated it, or added and deleted parts of the existing virus. But additions and deletions in a virus leave a trace that can be pointed out pretty quickly, a little bit like removing a red brick from a wall and replacing it with a black brick. This is exactly what Maciej Boni, an associate professor at Penn State, looked for.

This guy Garry is a total liar. Scientist have been able to create fully infectious synthetic viruses since the early 2000's.

https://onezero.medium.com/swiss-scientists-have-recreated-the-coronavirus-in-a-lab-d12816bfdbe3

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.21.959817v1

 

These virologists are a bunch of arrogant narc's trying to deflect blame and downplay their actual accomplishments. They will lie and manipulate their data to get the "sheep" to believe anything.

They have a huge conflict of interest, their loss of funding.

There are a few virologist that are standing up to this. Very few.

 

It's basically this, scientist can create synthetic viruses that cannot be distinguished from natural viruses. This nature vs man made virus mystery may never be solved. Why? A virus found in nature can be man made.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/coronavirus-rips-through-dutch-mink-farms-triggering-culls-prevent-human-infections

 

Don't let other people think for you, question everything

 

 

 

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https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

Here's the Cliff Notes version of the argument in this paper:

1. SARS-CoV-2 has a number of unique and unusual genetic features, when compared to close relatives, many of which explain its high virulence and infectivity among humans.

no doubt, a furin cleavage site and a ACE2 receptor binding domain so perfectly tuned to humans that scientists are like, WTF, where did this come from? oh lets keep this shit quiet.

2. A series of research papers published by a group of virologists, dating back a little over a decade, demonstrate (1) a progressively increasing understanding of viral features which make coronaviruses more infectious and virulent in humans, and (2) laboratory capabilities for successfully creating chimeric viruses (e.g. moving one specific protein sequence from a bat SARS-like virus to human SARS virus) to test their hypotheses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

 

3. Each of the unique and unusual features of SARS-CoV-2 appears somewhere in this line of research.

yup

4. Researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, located in the city where the outbreak began, were intimately involved this line of research.

Taken together, the publicly-available evidence indicates that a select group of virologists had the domain knowledge and laboratory capabilities to create chimeric viruses which possess each of the unusual features of SARS-CoV-2, and that select group of virologists was concentrated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology located at ground zero for the pandemic.

The authors feel that, in light of this preponderance of circumstantial evidence, the hypothesis that the biogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 involved human intervention should be seen as the leading (i.e. most likely) explanation.

They do not make any statement about how the virus first infected a live human and spread into a pandemic, but conditioned on their biogenesis hypothesis being true, one would then assume an accidental lab release from WIV as the most likely explanation.

 glad to see others are waking up to this science based theory

 

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Nice if true, good for us! Impressive feat. 

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