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Spike was pretty good 

Spike was great, but not for Buffy. She'd have been emotionally babysitting him for the rest of her life. It's the Riley problem in a new form.

He was at points outright emotionally abusive, and so was she. They were a terrible fit unless you subscribe to Joss Whedon's idea of 'Darkness' being beauty. 

They hurt each other and use that vulnerability to make the other do what they want. 

It's true, they were both emotionally abusive and machiavellian with eachother, but I don't see either one ever being able to be in a relationship with anybody that isn't emotionally abusive in some form. I see the bigger issue here as the power imbalance. As much as Angel is TRASH, he and Buffy worked better than any of her later relationships because she was able to treat him more as a peer than a doting sidekick.

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Despite the fact that Buffy and Spike are by far my two favorite people in the show, their romance arc was ill-planned, awkward, contrived, and I feel it neutered Spike as a character. As a depthy, charming, sympathetic villain who inadvertently did more damage by being emotionally honest than he did through his compensatory ambitions, he was spectacular. While he retained some of those strengths in the later seasons, his potential was undermined and his brilliance as a character overlooked for the sake of a forceful and uncomfortable attempt to please the fanbase that never should have been more than lightly entertained. The gags in Willow's accidental spell episode and Faith's bodyswap episode were good on their own, seasons five and six were just beating that dead joke until it was fucking oatmeal.

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Despite the fact that Buffy and Spike are by far my two favorite people in the show, their romance arc was ill-planned, awkward, contrived, and I feel it neutered Spike as a character.

Considering Whedon didn't even want her to have romance arcs and didn't even want Spike in the show, their relationship was actually one of the better pieces of writing. 

That doesn't make the relationship they have good, but it's writing's on point for both of them in spite of how much of the show was already going off the Scooby rails. They'd been building up those two slowly as a dysfunctional couple, and it errs on the "obsession" angle which this show shows to be a neutral if not dark force that can persist into Vampirism. 

Based on Spike's history of relationships, that one was quintessentially his. Compare it to his time with Dru and Harmony, and in Buffy's case she'd been going through man after man in ways that she had all the physical power but none of the emotional. This was effectively a frustration catharsis for her through him being "strong enough to take it" and "dark enough to deserve it" while for him it was raw masochism for the physical aspects, while their emotional aspects remind me of when Cordelia and Xander were a thing. 

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Buffy: I touch the fire and it freezes me I look into it and it's black, this isn't real but I just want to feel-

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Spike: I died so many years ago You can make me feel like it isn't so-

Spike is a good(bad) boy that's been telling her hey I love you and she used it and is mean and spike is a good boy 

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Buffy: I touch the fire and it freezes me I look into it and it's black, this isn't real but I just want to feel-

Vs.

Spike: I died so many years ago You can make me feel like it isn't so-

Spike is a good(bad) boy that's been telling her hey I love you and she used it and is mean and spike is a good boy 

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 His feelings for her are not her responsibility and he repeatedly tries to make them into exactly that. Just because Spike is the sub doesn't mean he's innocent in that relationship. He's easier to sympathize with, largely because he's the one in love, the one really trying (for what that's worth), but neither one approaches the needs of the other with respect. They're both users.

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Spike's an emotional sadomasochist who can cut deeply with his words and his poetic near-psychic understanding of the darkness of love. It makes him of equal footing with her in the relationship, but toxic all the same. 

They're terrible for each other in a synergistic sort of way. They are both what the other is looking for, but what they want isn't good for themselves. 

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