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Having a kid wont give you purpose and if you aren't all-in on raising it you just fucked up another human being because you selfishly thought your genes deserve to be passed on, even though you havent done anything with your life. My thoughts are if you aren't 100% sure you want the rest of your life to revolve around raising tiny people into normal well adjusted adults, and sacrificing all of your time and energy for this goal don't have kids. 

The earth has enough fuck ups already from people irresponsibly breeding just because they felt an instinct leftover from monkey days. 

PalePeach said: 

The earth has enough fuck ups already from people irresponsibly breeding just because they felt an instinct leftover from monkey days. 

It is neat to think of a little half-spawn of you and the one you love that can walk around and live it's own life. 

PalePeach said: 

Having a kid wont give you purpose and if you aren't all-in on raising it you just fucked up another human being because you selfishly thought your genes deserve to be passed on, even though you havent done anything with your life. My thoughts are if you aren't 100% sure you want the rest of your life to revolve around raising tiny people into normal well adjusted adults, and sacrificing all of your time and energy for this goal don't have kids.

The earth has enough fuck ups already from people irresponsibly breeding just because they felt an instinct leftover from monkey days. 

Instinct leftover from monkey days, lol, I needed to hear that. You summed up my main concern. I wouldn't feel right leaving a kid grow fucked up, although maybe that could be interesting to see in a way. The fucked up product of your mistakes... Anyway.... I have done plenty in my life, probably more than most people here have, just not enough for myself. My bar is high.

Turncoat said: 

It is neat to think of a little half-spawn of you and the one you love that can walk around and live it's own life.

Yeah, that's partly why I'd do it. The other half is my ego.

Turncoat said: 

PalePeach said: 

The earth has enough fuck ups already from people irresponsibly breeding just because they felt an instinct leftover from monkey days. 

It is neat to think of a little half-spawn of you and the one you love that can walk around and live it's own life. 

 It's neat to thinkbof a little half spawn of you that has to face the pain of loosing loved ones and live as a slave in a capitalist machine where they must spend the majority of their time working so they can afford to ever survive.

Don't think of kids as mini versions of yourself. Are you your own parents? Think of having kids as creating more slave consumers who will never mean anything more than a target for marketers.

PalePeach said: 

Turncoat said: 

PalePeach said: 

The earth has enough fuck ups already from people irresponsibly breeding just because they felt an instinct leftover from monkey days. 

It is neat to think of a little half-spawn of you and the one you love that can walk around and live it's own life. 

It's neat to thinkbof a little half spawn of you that has to face the pain of loosing loved ones and live as a slave in a capitalist machine where they must spend the majority of their time working so they can afford to ever survive.

Exactly, except they'll be doing it based on a new set of technological milestones. 

Don't think of kids as mini versions of yourself. Are you your own parents?

In many respects yes. 

Think of having kids as creating more slave consumers who will never mean anything more than a target for marketers.

But they'd be my slave to consumers. 

@PalePeach

You know, I've thought about that.. I get the argument in favor of not giving birth to a baby in a cruel world or if you suspect you'd make for a shitty father/mother. The thing is.... I think giving birth to a kid is morally virtuous even if you leave your partner and take the high-road. Because.... If my father had asked me now, "Son, are you glad to be alive?" boy would I say yes, yes I am.

Statistically speaking, you're more likely to not hate life so much that you don't want to exist... Even if your father is shitty, and your mother is broke. So, really, even if I gave birth to a kid, cut contact, and went to make more babies, repeat ad infinitum, I'd be morally virtuous. And if the ungrateful little shits complained because "society's treating others better," I can just tell them to go kill themselves if they hate it so much. They get to make the decision, I'm giving them options they would otherwise not have.

Turncoat said:

But they'd be my slave to consumers.

I'm glad we see eye to eye. I don't get this rosy picture that the US and most of Europe wants to paint that children are gifts and we owe everything to them. They're property.

Basically, the things you're saying are reason to not have a kid I just see as obstacles we're all stuck facing. Because we all face it through one role or another, it's essentially a non-factor, especially as Globalism spreads further and prevents as many alternatives. 

Is it not worth living life and providing future life into a place that isn't ideal? Is the idea of losing those they love really reason enough to not push forward? I'd say the things that suck are a part of the experience just as much as the good stuff, and even in a pessimistic mindset there's silver linings, escapes from it that are just novel enough to make the whole grind worth it. 

Art and Philosophy can be fun pursuits during any period of time, and watching Science and History march forward is itself novel and suspenseful. Even petty relationship drama can be all-consuming in a way that further fuels the spark of life. 

I want to have and raise my own child/children soon. If I can convince myself that they don’t have to be quite as expensive as people make them out to be it’s not unlikely that I will soon after I am done with probation.

Probably gonna adopt and foster kids tbh