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Honestly I watched it for the first time a few days ago and I loved it. The problem is, it can easily get confused for being an incel film even though it's just a confused vet with a hero complex. In the end he saves a little girl from a pimp, which doesn't seem characteristic of an incel to me, at least from what I've gathered. 

I myself hate pedophiles and would probably shoot a politician so I can resonate with the character. Though, I wouldn't say I'm confused on women. 

I watched it because I knew that it influenced the new Joker film that came out back in October which I also happen to adore. 

In general, Travis Bickle is a man I can find myself resonating with, even if some of his views, I'd disagree with, but it's obvious the reasoning behind why, since he's just a vet trying to re-intergrate into society, and he came back to all these porn theatres and prostitution which made him sick. Yet, he thought that by bringing a girl to the porn theater, it'd somehow impress her. Probably because he didn't know much of anything else. 



Imagine if he shot the politician and used the twinkie defense, he probably could've gotten away with it. 

Chaotik said: 

Honestly I watched it for the first time a few days ago and I loved it. The problem is, it can easily get confused for being an incel film even though it's just a confused vet with a hero complex.

I agree it's not an "Incel Film", but I do have to concede that it is indeed a film about an incel. 

I always saw this movie as if the main character was New York. Everything about his behaviors were a reflection of the city at the time, in spite of the appearance of it's external reality coming in conflict with his truth. Even his flaws and odd vigilantism mindset is not a foreign one, despite how displaying it in this raw of a form makes it look almost neanderthal-like, unrelatable, disorderly. 

I saw the film as a critical commentary on the life of that time, of the divide between the ideal and the truth of the city as seen through a man from the scummy underbelly of it who was ashamed of that fact, of that understanding, trying to be a man above his cultural station when he already wasn't doing too well in the setting he calls home.

It's a story of a good-hearted simpleton from a bad setting. 

Though, I wouldn't say I'm confused on women. 

I mean, aren't you though?

Or is this another case of the 'lazies'? 

I watched it because I knew that it influenced the new Joker film that came out back in October which I also happen to adore. 

I still haven't seen that one, but I saw Taxi Driver after having watched King of Comedy and a few other Deniro films. 

I fucking love the movie's main score: 

In general, Travis Bickle is a man I can find myself resonating with, even if some of his views, I'd disagree with, but it's obvious the reasoning behind why, since he's just a vet trying to re-intergrate into society, and he came back to all these porn theatres and prostitution which made him sick. Yet, he thought that by bringing a girl to the porn theater, it'd somehow impress her. Probably because he didn't know much of anything else. 

It has similarities in theme to how the show Euphoria on HBO demonstrates the effects of online porn on teenagers. 

He finds it disgusting, but he's seen so much of it that it's all he really knows. He despised it more for how it's what "normal people do" from seeing himself primarily as an outsider, but once he found himself trying to be more "normal" that's what came out. 

He's self-repressive in nature because he's afraid and confused. Even his moment where it was misguided towards a political figure demonstrates what's wrong with his mindset and, within it, vigilantism as a whole. His views of the political glitz and glare is more what he resents than any candidate, as it puts his fears and confusion on display for others to see. At his absolute endgame he even shaved his head while using big guy lines and postures he learned in the mirror, classic self-affirmation of ones sense of "being the outsider" when threatened by the world outside. 

Much of Deniro's character in this film is that of self-loathing and an inability to follow social cues, followed by frustration and half-baked ideas once he'd hit his head against the wall one too many times. 

Imagine if he shot the politician and used the twinkie defense, he probably could've gotten away with it. 

He'd be better off with the insanity plea. 

Turncoat said:

I mean, aren't you though?

Or is this another case of the 'lazies'?

 Might I ask what the "lazies" is? i don't understand how I'm confused on women? I have plently of female friends and get along with them fine. Nor do I hate women. I'm bisexual with a preference towards women, but because of my current condition in life, I refuse to date until I get my own place, own job, and start actually having some form of character. 

Turncoat said:

It has similarities in theme to how the show Euphoria on HBO demonstrates the effects of online porn on teenagers.

He finds it disgusting, but he's seen so much of it that it's all he really knows. He despised it more for how it's what "normal people do" from seeing himself primarily as an outsider, but once he found himself trying to be more "normal" that's what came out.

He's self-repressive in nature because he's afraid and confused. Even his moment where it was misguided towards a political figure demonstrates what's wrong with his mindset and, within it, vigilantism as a whole. His views of the political glitz and glare is more what he resents than any candidate, as it puts his fears and confusion on display for others to see. At his absolute endgame he even shaved his head while using big guy lines and postures he learned in the mirror, classic self-affirmation of ones sense of "being the outsider" when threatened by the world outside.

 I haven't seen Euphoria, but I myself am against porn, though I admit, I do have somewhat of an addiction to it that I'm trying to curb. 

I guess the only reason I resonate with him personally is because of his actions against the pimp at the end. So, ideas of vigilantism. Though, my views I'd say are different from his. 

Chaotik said: 

Turncoat said:

I mean, aren't you though?

Or is this another case of the 'lazies'?

Might I ask what the "lazies" is?

You can ask. 

i don't understand how I'm confused on women? I have plently of female friends and get along with them fine.

That'd be like me saying I'm not racist or otherwise have a good stance on racial matters because I have black friends. 

Nor do I hate women. I'm bisexual with a preference towards women, but because of my current condition in life, I refuse to date until I get my own place, own job, and start actually having some form of character. 

This sounds like a "You can't fire me, I quit" justification. 

Turncoat said:

It has similarities in theme to how the show Euphoria on HBO demonstrates the effects of online porn on teenagers.

He finds it disgusting, but he's seen so much of it that it's all he really knows. He despised it more for how it's what "normal people do" from seeing himself primarily as an outsider, but once he found himself trying to be more "normal" that's what came out.

He's self-repressive in nature because he's afraid and confused. Even his moment where it was misguided towards a political figure demonstrates what's wrong with his mindset and, within it, vigilantism as a whole. His views of the political glitz and glare is more what he resents than any candidate, as it puts his fears and confusion on display for others to see. At his absolute endgame he even shaved his head while using big guy lines and postures he learned in the mirror, classic self-affirmation of ones sense of "being the outsider" when threatened by the world outside.

I haven't seen Euphoria, but I myself am against porn, though I admit, I do have somewhat of an addiction to it that I'm trying to curb. 

I guess the only reason I resonate with him personally is because of his actions against the pimp at the end. So, ideas of vigilantism. Though, my views I'd say are different from his. 

You really have trouble separating concepts from yourself, don't you? 

Turncoat said:

You can ask.

That'd be like me saying I'm not racist or otherwise have a good stance on racial matters because I have black
friends.

This sounds like a "You can't fire me, I quit" justification.

 Okay, can you tell me what about me insinuates that I am sexist towards women?

Turncoat said:

You really have trouble separating concepts from yourself, don't you?

 I'm sorry but I need elaboration on what you mean by that. 

Chaotik said: 

Turncoat said:

You can ask.

That'd be like me saying I'm not racist or otherwise have a good stance on racial matters because I have black
friends.

This sounds like a "You can't fire me, I quit" justification.

Okay, can you tell me what about me insinuates that I am sexist towards women?

Where'd I say you were sexist towards them? 

Turncoat said:

You really have trouble separating concepts from yourself, don't you?

 I'm sorry but I need elaboration on what you mean by that. 

I don't think I've ever seen you discuss something without it having to be portrayed through matters of yourself. 

Instead of just seeing this movie, it's all about what parts you relate to while ignoring the parts that are unlike you. It's like you're one of those weirdos that can't enjoy media without a relatable character to proxy onto. 

Turncoat said:

Where'd I say you were sexist towards them?

 I guess I misinterpreted you, you say the film is about an incel, and then I guess you compare me to him in that respect then use the whole "I have black friends, I can't be racist" cliche, and I thought you were calling me sexist because I thought you called me an incel.

Turncoat said:

I don't think I've ever seen you discuss something without it having to be portrayed through matters of yourself.

Instead of just seeing this movie, it's all about what parts you relate to while ignoring the parts that are unlike you. It's like you're one of those weirdos that can't enjoy media without a relatable character to proxy onto.

 I enjoy Breaking Bad and the character of Walter White, but I don't see myself as him.

I enjoy the Doctor from Doctor Who, but I don't see myself as him.

I like Izuku Midoriya from the anime My Hero Academia but I don't see myself as him. 

Chaotik said: 

Turncoat said:

Where'd I say you were sexist towards them?

I guess I misinterpreted you, you say the film is about an incel, and then I guess you compare me to him in that respect then use the whole "I have black friends, I can't be racist" cliche, and I thought you were calling me sexist because I thought you called me an incel.

Dude, no, I was saying that your argument rhetoric was bad, that saying you have female friends and are bisexual doesn't get you any brownie points. 

The film otherwise is, itself, about someone who falls into more than enough traits to reasonably be referred to as a closet incel. He doesn't have a bunch of red pill or MGTOW nonsense in his skull, but go figure it's the 70s. 

Still, this serves as a good self-demonstration as to how chronic self-direction could blind you. 

Turncoat said:

I don't think I've ever seen you discuss something without it having to be portrayed through matters of yourself.

Instead of just seeing this movie, it's all about what parts you relate to while ignoring the parts that are unlike you. It's like you're one of those weirdos that can't enjoy media without a relatable character to proxy onto.

I enjoy Breaking Bad and the character of Walter White, but I don't see myself as him.

Not entirely, but it wouldn't be hard to say you relate to aspects of his character. 

I enjoy the Doctor from Doctor Who, but I don't see myself as him.

This entirely depends on which doctor you're talking about. 

I like Izuku Midoriya from the anime My Hero Academia but I don't see myself as him. 

Gross, but I can see what traits in him you'd want to relate to. 

Turncoat said:

Dude, no, I was saying that your argument rhetoric was bad, that saying you have female friends and are bisexual doesn't get you any brownie points.

The film otherwise is, itself, about someone who falls into more than enough traits to reasonably be referred to as a closet incel. He doesn't have a bunch of red pill or MGTOW nonsense in his skull, but go figure it's the 70s.

Still, this serves as a good self-demonstration as to how chronic self-direction could blind you.

 Okay, point taken, I guess I looked into it too much.

Turncoat said:

This entirely depends on which doctor you're talking about.

 My favorite doctors are 3rd, 4th, and 10th.