So I came across this video of Jordan Peterson crying in public. He's done that like a million times now.
What do people think, is he faking it? I mean, it seems so unnatural to (genuinely) cry in front of a camera with millions of people watching you, while you cash in on some 50-100K USD for every event you do.
I like Jordan Peterson. Seems to have some common sense on a few issues. I don't really care that he cried. If people pay him money for it, great! I heard he's in re-hab. for some serious addiction. Good luck Jordan, addiction sucks. He's been helping young men find some direction, good for him.
So I didn't mean to make this topic to hate on Jordan Peterson, or anything like that. There are certain things I tend to agree with him on. E.g., the utility of religion.
I made this topic because I find it interesting because it seems to me like he's pretending. And there aren't too many men like that out there, who'd cry in front of an audience. For money and fame or otherwise. The other part I find odd is his followers.
I made this topic because I find it interesting because it seems to me like he's pretending.
It does have me wonder little things like how many takes he did, or if he ever does these displays of tears publicly or not. It wouldn't be beyond him to have a resume of male crying that he could go back to at any time for a future debate where it'd benefit him to show that kind of "strength".
When "crying"... he seems to try to sound like Bert from Sesame Street, but his eyes seem to go red pretty quickly.
And there aren't too many men like that out there, who'd cry in front of an audience. For money and fame or otherwise.
It's a postmodern flex in times where appeal to emotion is trending.
The other part I find odd is his followers.
TC said:> It does have me wonder little things like how many takes he did, or if he ever does these displays of tears publicly or not. It wouldn't be beyond him to have a resume of male crying that he could go back to at any time for a future debate where it'd benefit him to show that kind of "strength".
I was wondering about that too. I can imagine him practising in front of a camera. They call it "crocodile tears." It's a tactic used sometimes by female politicians and criminals to get out of trouble.
TC said:> When "crying"... he seems to try to sound like Bert from Sesame Street, but his eyes seem to go red pretty quickly.
He does sound a bit like Bert lol. I wonder if, before he became famous, anyone (his students?) saw him pull this. Thanks for the link.
There was this interview with a priest where the priest called him a sinner or something, and then later he cried and everyone was like "aww Jordy's crying, he can't be bad, can he?" Fake or not, he gets positive results with it.
Alice said:> He's proven he knows very little about post-modernism and critical theory, though I do enjoy his biblical series.
I think he knows a lot about critical theory. I think he doesn't care about it. Unless it benefits him. If you're right, and nobody listens to you, is it better than if you're wrong, but everyone listens to you? I think he understands how human bias works and how to convince people, on good grounds or otherwise, and how to hide relevant opposing facts.
Most people will give you 60 seconds to make an argument and tune out after 2 minutes. If the 60 first seconds is sound, the rest of the 5 hours can be utter shit but the masses will believe you anyway. They don't give a shit if you're right, they just want to see their enemies crushed and ridiculed.
Tryptamine said:> it's ok to have emotions
I never said it is not.
Tryptamine said:> i don't really know why someone would cry about that, i guess it means a lot to him (probably because of something else). i've no season to suspect it's fake, coming from him
Why "coming from him?"
Last I checked he checked into a high level rehab facility. I'd say it's safe to say any tears are real, he's going through a life crisis that is public and destroying his career
I thought he went to rehab due to medical addiction caused by his wife's cancer. However, he cries all the time about young men who thank him or something.
TC said:> It does have me wonder little things like how many takes he did, or if he ever does these displays of tears publicly or not. It wouldn't be beyond him to have a resume of male crying that he could go back to at any time for a future debate where it'd benefit him to show that kind of "strength".I was wondering about that too. I can imagine him practising in front of a camera. They call it "crocodile tears." It's a tactic used sometimes by female politicians and criminals to get out of trouble.
His are special in that his eyes actually turn red. If one were to assume he's faking it, how's he doing it? Does he cut onions in between takes or something?
What has me as a knee jerk reaction not believe his crying is over how, despite his eyes reddening, he doesn't seem like he's demonstrating a breaking point. I've seen a surprising amount of fake crying in my lifetime, and he fits much of the criteria whether it's real or not.
TC said:> When "crying"... he seems to try to sound like Bert from Sesame Street, but his eyes seem to go red pretty quickly.He does sound a bit like Bert lol. I wonder if, before he became famous, anyone (his students?) saw him pull this. Thanks for the link.
There was this interview with a priest where the priest called him a sinner or something, and then later he cried and everyone was like "aww Jordy's crying, he can't be bad, can he?" Fake or not, he gets positive results with it.
We're progressing towards a truly post-modern age. The reason why crying is a strength for him is over how it is conventionally a weakness.
Alice said:> He's proven he knows very little about post-modernism and critical theory, though I do enjoy his biblical series.I think he knows a lot about critical theory. I think he doesn't care about it. Unless it benefits him. If you're right, and nobody listens to you, is it better than if you're wrong, but everyone listens to you? I think he understands how human bias works and how to convince people, on good grounds or otherwise, and how to hide relevant opposing facts.
His debates with other people are always blatantly playing more towards the crowd than the conclusion, but he even got Bill Maher to struggle when he was invited onto his show. He ought to be respected for his ability to sway people... as people who were otherwise not swayed.
He has talent, but the nature of that talent comes from some level of breaking the rules of debate.
Most people will give you 60 seconds to make an argument and tune out after 2 minutes. If the 60 first seconds is sound, the rest of the 5 hours can be utter shit but the masses will believe you anyway. They don't give a shit if you're right, they just want to see their enemies crushed and ridiculed.
Ted Talks have me optimistically convinced somewhat otherwise.
While the masses are definitely louder over baseline opinions, the "silent majority" is another matter.
How many people do you figure are elitist in their beliefs of themselves from not challenging others openly on the internet (or real life if they're overly polite)? Based on my own experiences anyway I'd say that that demographic has to be over 50%.
Tryptamine said:> i don't really know why someone would cry about that, i guess it means a lot to him (probably because of something else). i've no season to suspect it's fake, coming from himWhy "coming from him?"
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