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Freedom's just a bigger cage, and as a goal it's far too broad of a concept to be realistic. 

They say wealthy countries tend to have higher rates of depression, haven't fact checked that yet. A large reason is because you can have goals when your not focusing on survival. Having goals is a gateway to disappointment and feeling trapped

I disagree! He does not lose his freedom by making the choice.

FOTS said: 

They say wealthy countries tend to have higher rates of depression, haven't fact checked that yet. A large reason is because you can have goals when your not focusing on survival. Having goals is a gateway to disappointment and feeling trapped

I figured it was a lack of goals through a lack of survival needs that led to apathy and eventually depression. 

They see no escape from their situation, and many run face first into some of the heavier drugs. 

Turncoat said: 

FOTS said: 

They say wealthy countries tend to have higher rates of depression, haven't fact checked that yet. A large reason is because you can have goals when your not focusing on survival. Having goals is a gateway to disappointment and feeling trapped

I figured it was a lack of goals through a lack of survival needs that led to apathy and eventually depression. 

They see no escape from their situation, and many run face first into some of the heavier drugs. 

 Could be a mix of the 2 but both are terribly oversimplified. For one, They dont account for depression caused by technology and addiction 

The point I would like to raise with regard to your post is with the field of philosophy itself. My problem with philosophy has been that it explores the issues but is not concerned with proposing solutions. 
So, you say freedom is restrictive. I’m struck by your example of the millennial stuck in bed because he found contemplating the freedom to act too overwhelming. 
You may have just undermined your proposed thought  exercise: My reaction, at least, is then the hell with the navel-gazing because like millennial above where does it get me.

My other thought in response would be a tangential discussion of free will and predestiny.

You know who might be really good at answering philosophy prompts as yours is Chapo. Really undervalued, creative, post he made on proposing “vigilante justice” alternatives to the current criminal justice system, in particular with regard to prosecution of rape, though he is in favor of capital punishment for murder.

(Full disclosure: I started a philosophy class frosh year but withdrew, because not following current events at the time found it really hard to give examples in essays.)

Chapo aside, point being better to use the theories of philosophy to explore positive outcomes, when at all. 

blizzydrizzle said: 

The point I would like to raise with regard to your post is with the field of philosophy itself. My problem with philosophy has been that it explores the issues but is not concerned with proposing solutions. 
So, you say freedom is restrictive. I’m struck by your example of the millennial stuck in bed because he found contemplating the freedom to act too overwhelming. 
You may have just undermined your proposed thought  exercise: My reaction, at least, is then the hell with the navel-gazing because like millennial above where does it get me.

 

My other thought in response would be a tangential discussion of free will and predestiny.

You know who might be really good at answering philosophy prompts as yours is Chapo. Really undervalued, creative, post he made on proposing “vigilante justice” alternatives to the current criminal justice system, in particular with regard to prosecution of rape, though he is in favor of capital punishment for murder.

(Full disclosure: I started a philosophy class frosh year but withdrew, because not following current events at the time found it really hard to give examples in essays.)

Chapo aside, point being better to use the theories of philosophy to explore positive outcomes, when at all. 

Moving from delusion toward truth is always a step forward: it is a positive in itself. Living in delusion turns life into a bubble that is bound to burst. For example: a man, crazy about a woman, might treat himself with the delusion that she is crazy about him too, and while this might give the man a great deal of illusory happiness, the day he finds out the opposite will come inevitably.

So we may try to hold onto freedom as an absolute value because it gives us a (false) positive, but we will find ourselves in anguish sooner or later. Therefore its absence, by virtue of being a negative of a negative, can be seen as a positive.

And the millenial is not overwhelmed by his contemplation of freedom, but by his love of it. He cannot let go of it—but that is precisely what using it is! You move into freedom in order to move away from it, into a better direction! But the millenial cannot let go of it. You should never love freedom. It turns the act of doing nothing into a narcotic.

organism said: 

blizzydrizzle said: 

The point I would like to raise with regard to your post is with the field of philosophy itself. My problem with philosophy has been that it explores the issues but is not concerned with proposing solutions. 
So, you say freedom is restrictive. I’m struck by your example of the millennial stuck in bed because he found contemplating the freedom to act too overwhelming. 
You may have just undermined your proposed thought  exercise: My reaction, at least, is then the hell with the navel-gazing because like millennial above where does it get me.

My other thought in response would be a tangential discussion of free will and predestiny.

You know who might be really good at answering philosophy prompts as yours is Chapo. Really undervalued, creative, post he made on proposing “vigilante justice” alternatives to the current criminal justice system, in particular with regard to prosecution of rape, though he is in favor of capital punishment for murder.

(Full disclosure: I started a philosophy class frosh year but withdrew, because not following current events at the time found it really hard to give examples in essays.)

Chapo aside, point being better to use the theories of philosophy to explore positive outcomes, when at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So we may try to hold onto freedom as an absolute value because it gives us a (false) positive, but we will find ourselves in anguish sooner or later. Therefore its absence, by virtue of being a negative of a negative, can be seen as a positive.

OK, I was with you (sort of) until you said this: “Therefore it’s absence by virtue of being a negative of a negative, can be seen as a positive.

What the heck does this mean ??

I Appreciate that I said philosophy does not address positive outcomes and so you turned this into a treatment of freedom in terms of pluses and minuses —and I think a discussion of plus or minus freedom in terms of delusion.

That delusion part only sort of works but it got my attention.