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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

MSM talking about it. Look at the difference in tone between Trump snd Biden.

Biden had the classified documents since he was vice president at least 8 years ago. The vice president doesn't have that authority.

Meanwhile Trump has documents he declassified, and the FBI wants to raid his home. The FBI knew he had them. And the FBI is getting busted for corruption yet again.

The MSM will always sugar coat anything the democrats do.

Their time is coming. 2024.

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LiYang said: 
LiYang said: 
LiYang said: 

they found them before the midterms lol. this is basic stuff, i wonder what your level of comprehension is

I'm fully aware of when they found the doc's. that's why I put quotes around found.

But the real question is why is it out in the open right now? Why not protect this fake geriatric putz like they did before?

 so if anything he was protected right? this didn't come out until after midterms?

it's hard to take you seriously when most of what you say is either outright .

incorrect or misleading at best.

 I don't think you're getting my point. This guy committed treason punishable by death. Sold out our Country to the Chinese. Got rich from Ukrainian kickbacks.. and they're going to nail him for a few documents in his garage. lol What gives?

 who tf is nailing biden for this shit? nothing will happen to him except maybe republicans will stomp their feet. nothing happened to trump for much worse although he may have taken it too far.

presidents and other elites have to work hard to be held to account the way the rest of us would be.

 I guess we will see. I personally think Biden is actually already dead. You're seeing nothing but acting

 

What did Trump do? Opportunity zones? Lower taxes? Oh right, he grabbed some pussy back in the day. lol I fucking love that guy! Except for WARP SPEED. He's a moron about that.

 he also took classified documents and refused to return them. masses of boxes were recovered from his home. also trump is dead and so is desantis, the men playing them are actors. how is it you don't know this already?

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

Trump never had any classified documents. The FBI just raided him. Called the news made a big show of it etc. Trump was compliant. Plus he was able to declassify the documents he had.

Now the FBI has nothing on Trump. They are just smearing him. Government corruption.  

Biden however had documents from the Obama era, he never had the power or the right.

But what's this ? 54M China cash ? It's like Burisma again.  Amazingly, I wrote about this years ago and finally shits going down. 

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Parrot said: 

Trump never had any classified documents. The FBI just raided him. Called the news made a big show of it etc. Trump was compliant. Plus he was able to declassify the documents he had.

Legally that has to go through someone to approve it, and while he can then go ahead with it anyway after being denied that then has his action reported to others to keep a note of it. 



As noted early in the video above:

Now one of Trump's defenses for having government records and documents containing alleged national secrets and nuclear weapons related information at Mar-a-Lago is that he had a standing order to immediately declassify any material brought into the White House residence, and then later removed to Mar-a-Lago. Now this is not a particularly good defense to prosecution under the three laws cited in the search warrant that we know of, because none of those offenses depend on the material being classified itself. 

For example, 18 USC 1519 outlines the federal crime of obstruction of justice for destroying, altering, or falsifying government records. It's illegal to mutilate, conceal, or alter, quote, "any record, document, or tangible object," if the act is done with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence an investigation. It doesn't matter if the material itself was classified or not. The only thing the government has to show is that someone was destroying or altering any tangible object for the purpose of obstructing an investigation.


If still curious about the declassification process itself though, Legal Eagle goes there too:  

Nonetheless, let's look into the claim that Trump had a secret standing order to declassify records. Rick Grenell, Trump's national security director, said that, quote, "There is this phony idea that he must provide notification for declassification but that's just silly. Who is he supposed to notify?". Well, the answer is he's supposed to notify the American people and members of the administration. 

When something is declassified, that means the public is allowed to see the information. The declassification system isn't about the President's convenience. Glen Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, called Trump's claim "Preposterous". He said that the information should be logged so that it could be identified. He also said that Trump should notify the federal agencies that use of those documents, but Trump's power as the commander-in-chief gave him broad authority to declassify records, but Trump didn't wield his power to declassify records in the way that past presidents did, which is probably why we keep hearing new theories about how he might have declassified information. 

We can learn a lot by looking at what his predecessor did with classified information. President Obama issued Executive Order 13526 on December 29th, 2009. Obama's order created a National Declassification Center with a mission to declassify government materials and make them available to the public. To that end, the Obama order established that no records may remain classified indefinitely in an attempt to increase government transparency. The order also provides deadlines for declassifying information exempted from automatic declassification at 25 years. The National Declassification Center is part of the National Archives. 

Now, Trump did not rescind on Obama's Executive Order, and that means that government departments are still following its procedures. Trump himself was probably not obligated to follow this order when declassifying records, although some lawyers have argued that Trump was legally required to follow the order or rescind it. Now, Courts have never had to decide this issue because presidents who don't agree with their predecessor's orders simply rescind them and issue new ones, but, that argument goes, because Trump was president and had plenary powers to declassify things, he could just declassify documents without telling anyone.

Oh yes, the Vulcan Mind Declassification: 

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Now during his administration, Trump asserted that he could declassify records by word, tweet, or thought. For example, on October 26th, 2020, Trump tweeted, quote, "I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any and all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russian Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions, exclamation point".

Now, news organizations rushed to obtain the apparently declassified documents, but the Trump White House denied that the President had the authority to declassify by Tweet without following protocol. White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said that Trump's tweet about declassifying documents related to the Russia investigation were not an order to declassify or release further documents. He filed a sworn declaration stating, quote, "The president indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders, and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents." 

Trump's defenders claim that he declassified material by simply speaking the words aloud, and that the real problem is that other people didn't follow the appropriate processes after Trump spoke. Former Pentagon employee Kashyap Patel said that he was in the room when Trump said that they were declassifying information. Patel then threw White House lawyers under the bus, quote, "White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that does not mean the information wasn't declassified". 

Now, when a document is declassified, it's stamped with the word "declassified" and the date that the records were declassified. If that didn't happen, the records haven't been declassified, or at least they must be treated as still classified. Now, none of that stopped Trump's defenders from claiming that Trump's declassification powers were so broad that he could actually declassify stuff with his mind.

A spokesperson from the Heritage Foundation said, quote, "There's a rich debate about whether or not a document is declassified if a president has decided but not communicated it outside of his own head." Now, maybe there's a debate at the Heritage Foundation, but that defense would probably not work in a court of law to suggest that the President's thoughts have the power of law. Now, bottom line, if the alleged declassified documents weren't modified to state that they had been declassified, then they hadn't been declassified.

TLDR; Trump didn't declassify shit. 

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?
LiYang said: 
LiYang said: 
LiYang said: 

they found them before the midterms lol. this is basic stuff, i wonder what your level of comprehension is

I'm fully aware of when they found the doc's. that's why I put quotes around found.

But the real question is why is it out in the open right now? Why not protect this fake geriatric putz like they did before?

 so if anything he was protected right? this didn't come out until after midterms?

it's hard to take you seriously when most of what you say is either outright .

incorrect or misleading at best.

 I don't think you're getting my point. This guy committed treason punishable by death. Sold out our Country to the Chinese. Got rich from Ukrainian kickbacks.. and they're going to nail him for a few documents in his garage. lol What gives?

 who tf is nailing biden for this shit? nothing will happen to him except maybe republicans will stomp their feet. nothing happened to trump for much worse although he may have taken it too far.

presidents and other elites have to work hard to be held to account the way the rest of us would be.

 I guess we will see. I personally think Biden is actually already dead. You're seeing nothing but acting

 

What did Trump do? Opportunity zones? Lower taxes? Oh right, he grabbed some pussy back in the day. lol I fucking love that guy! Except for WARP SPEED. He's a moron about that.

 he also took classified documents and refused to return them. masses of boxes were recovered from his home. also trump is dead and so is desantis, the men playing them are actors. how is it you don't know this already?

 The President can have classified documents that's his job. Not so much for the Vice President. The laws are different for the Vice.

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

what about trump and desantis being dead? did you know this or not?

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1 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

Guys even Fox is saying Trump appears to be in some shit with 300 classified documents recovered from him, as well as potential crimes related to the handling of the documents https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-president-trumps-office-contempt-court-mar-a-lago-documents-reports

The DoJ isn’t ignoring the case, it just hasn’t acted yet. Or am I missing something?

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

what about trump and desantis being dead? did you know this or not?

 No, what's your source? The fake Biden pictures are everywhere.

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?

Joe Rogan is getting his news from SC.

 

Rogan made the claim over the weekend during a conversation with two comedians on his popular podcast “The Joe Rogan Experience.”

“If I had to guess — they’re trying to get rid of him,” the 55-year-old host said of President Biden’s own party. “My guess would be they’re trying to get rid of him.”

I'm looking for the clip.

 

Yeah, that's what I thought. Fake Joe Biden is out. A new puppet will be put in the place.

BTW Joe Biden, why haven't we seen the real Joe Biden? Maybe Covid got him? Or maybe he was the first victim of the vaccine. It's like a bad horror movie.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/joe-rogan-claims-biden-document-scandal-a-ploy-by-democrats-to-replace-him/

 

 

 

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0 votes RE: Why are they throwing fake Joe Biden under the bus?
LiYang said: 

what about trump and desantis being dead? did you know this or not?

 No, what's your source? The fake Biden pictures are everywhere.

 my sources are also everywhere

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